Get to know

Treasure(与 Bianca Hanbury-Morris)

2021 年 4 月 30 日

在我们的工作中,客户是最吸引我们的人。Get To Know 是 Aquí 的系列报道,我们将带您走进客户的幕后,了解他们是谁,他们在做什么。

随着人们对网络隐私的日益关注,你会很高兴地知道,我们的第一个专题是关于Treasure,一家云存储公司,我们曾为其做过品牌宣传。我们采访了产品和品牌主管Bianca Hanbury-Morris,关于大科技的黑暗面以及Treasure为解决这个问题所做的工作。

阿奎:嗨,比安卡!你能告诉我们一些关于你的情况吗?

比安卡:当然了!我在宝藏公司负责产品和品牌!我在Treasure负责产品和品牌。这是一个超级有趣的角色,因为在公司里你并没有真正看到这两者走到一起,尽管它们是携手合作的。我负责产品的UX/UI部分--消费者的感觉和看到的东西。我还负责计划和安排产品发布的优先次序。对于品牌建设,我把你们为我们所做的出色工作,确保它被应用到我们所做的每一件事上,创造宝藏的品牌体验。我有品牌营销的背景,在宝洁公司接受培训,在那里品牌管理是面包和黄油。我还曾在Twitter工作过,在那里我见证了大科技在英国脱欧和2016年美国大选期间的错误信息传播中发挥了多大作用。对我来说,在离开大型科技公司后,倡导科技的发展是非常重要的,而在Treasure做这件事是超级令人兴奋的,在保持与品牌建设联系的同时进入产品管理。


Aquí:在我们深入探讨之前,我们想知道业内人士会如何向街上的人描述 "云"?

比安卡:我有一个关于我丈夫的祖母的有趣故事要分享。她已经92岁了,对于她这个年龄的人来说,她是一个真正的技术专家。有趣的是:她也是家族中第一个得到iPad的人。当奶奶在伦敦访问时,我们想让她与我们分享照片,她告诉我们,"我不能--它在我奥尔德尼岛的家中的电子邮件中"。如果我再和奶奶说话,我会告诉她,现在有一种叫做 "云 "的东西,你可以用各种格式存储你的文件和照片,并从任何地方安全地访问它。我不会谈论服务器的细节,因为那会让人感到很疏远!

"如果我再和奶奶说话,我会告诉她,现在有一种叫做'云'的东西,你可以以各种格式存储你的文件和照片,并从任何地方相当安全地访问它。"

阿基:这其实是一个非常好的解释方式。还有,这样一个很酷的奶奶那么,请告诉我们更多关于宝藏的情况吧!

比安卡:这对我们[宝藏]来说是一个相当的旅程。我们最初是一家B2B公司,你们都知道是Anqlave,其使命和愿景是真正帮助机构确保数字资产的安全;在钥匙管理系统家族中非常重要。我们的创始团队一直在网络安全领域,建立技术来保护这些机构。在他们的工作中,引人注目的是,没有人像这些大人物那样关注街上的人和女孩;没有向日常消费者提供同样的技术来保护他们的文件。这就是 "宝藏 "诞生的原因:把人们对自己数据应有的控制权还给他们,并围绕数据隐私和在线安全创造一种新的说法,而不是像大的科技公司那样把它扭曲。


"......没有人像照顾这些大人物一样照顾街上的人和女孩;没有向日常消费者提供同样的技术来保护他们的文件。"


Aquí:谈到对数据的控制,当涉及到在线隐私和安全时,人们面临的一些常见威胁是什么?宝藏是如何解决这个问题的呢?

比安卡:很多云存储供应商出于这样或那样的原因,会对你的文件进行某种形式的访问,主要是为了实现数据的货币化。也存在被黑客攻击的风险--你的文件或身份被盗。与你关系密切的人被盗用身份的程度只有若干,这可能是一个非常令人痛苦的经历。

Treasure的主要特点之一是端到端加密。这意味着,根据产品的设计,只有你,作为文件的所有者,掌握着你上传到我们云平台的文件的钥匙,并决定谁可以访问它。这有点像一所房子,只有主人才有钥匙。

Treasure还让其用户选择加入 Zero Knowledge,这是一个额外的安全层。这意味着,如果您忘记了您的密码,Treasure甚至不会储存您的账户的恢复密钥。因此,您的账户和其中的一切完全掌握在您手中。如果我们回到房子和钥匙比喻,我们甚至不是你的房东。我们对你的额外钥匙没有权利。这完全是你的财产。因此,非常重要的是,你不要丢失你的钥匙--或你的额外钥匙我们之所以选择它,是因为其他供应商面临着来自用户的反击。曾经有一个IB学生丢失了零知识云存储的钥匙,里面有一篇第二天要交的扩展论文,无法取回。

阿基:等等......所以我们使用的一些云存储供应商没有端到端加密?

比安卡:是的--这就对了。而且这都是出于选择。我们只能猜测,但很明显,其中一些公司是为了收入而做出这些选择。例如,谷歌的主要业务是广告收入。对于Dropbox来说,可能是因为他们认为自己无法打造一个足够好的产品,因为在云存储中建立端到端的加密确实比较困难。大科技公司总是让我们相信,为了享受一个好的产品,你需要放弃一点你的隐私。但我们在Treasure倡导的是,你可以拥有隐私和一个好的产品--它们并不相互排斥。


"大科技公司总是让我们相信,为了享受一个好的产品,你需要放弃一点你的隐私。但我们在Treasure倡导的是,你可以拥有隐私和好产品--它们并不相互排斥。"

阿基:我们很多人使用最容易获得的云存储,甚至没有想过数据隐私问题。只是在最近几年,随着纪录片的爆炸和报道的争议,我们才开始考虑这个问题。关于这些大的云存储供应商,我们应该知道些什么呢?

比安卡:所以创始团队已经看了现在大公司的云存储安全技术,包括谷歌硬盘、Dropbox和iCloud, 他们意识到这些供应商根本不安全。我猜网络安全B2B领域的每个人都知道这一点,但他们没有完全理解这个问题的规模,直到他们深入研究条款和条件。你应该知道, Google Drive会访问你的数据并将其货币化。你能想象吗?我有我的婚礼照片和一堆机密文件在里面,我相信很多人也是如此。而发现他们可以访问这些数据--那是非常疯狂的。你是对的,这是一个非常有趣的时期,因为有了《社交困境》这样的纪录片和关于Facebook传奇的头条新闻--在线隐私和安全问题已经成为了焦点。

阿基:你有什么建议可以与我们的读者分享,以更好地保护自己的网络?

比安卡:我会从简单开始。这几乎就像你开始尝试变得更健康一样--从简单开始,不要试图改变太多东西。第一层是要小心你所分享的内容和分享的对象。我的微博账户是公开的,有一个记者在一篇文章中使用了我的照片。这就是为什么我告诉我的小表弟、侄女和侄子要小心,因为你正在放弃这些。

下一件事是多因素认证(2FA)!在任何地方,特别是在WhatsApp,都要打开这些认证!在任何地方都要开启这些功能,尤其是WhatsApp。这是一个额外的安全层,有很大的不同,我很惊讶有多少人没有在最重要的应用程序中打开它,特别是消息应用程序。我认识的一个人最近她的WhatsApp账户被黑了,这妨碍了她的工作,因为她有五天不能访问它。2FA可以完全阻止这种情况的发生。最后,黑客和骗子越来越聪明了。要注意那些在电子邮件或信息中流传的链接。如果它看起来很可疑,不要点击它。给那个人打电话,询问它是否是一个合法的链接。


"如果它看起来很可疑,就不要点击它。"

阿奎:最后,对你来说,设计是什么?你在宝藏的日常工作中使用它吗?有哪些例子?

我一直认为设计是现实世界的一部分。在宝洁公司,他们有一个令人惊奇的事情,他们把它深深地灌输给我们:设计就是执行,因为执行是你的消费者看到的唯一战略。如果你的整个执行失败了,你的整个战略也就失败了。设计就是一切,它是我们产品的活生生的版本。我们在设计方面所做的一些例子是推出我们的新网站,我们也在考虑加强我们的用户体验和用户界面,现在我们已经开始跨越事物的早期访问阶段。现在,在设计师面前,这是一个超级难回答的问题!


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Treasure (with Bianca Hanbury-Morris)

April 30, 2021

在我们的工作中,客户是最吸引我们的人。Get To Know 是 Aquí 的系列报道,我们将带您走进客户的幕后,了解他们是谁,他们在做什么。

With the growing concern for online privacy, you would be thrilled to know that our first feature is on Treasure, a cloud storage company whose branding we worked on. We spoke to Bianca Hanbury-Morris, Head of Product & Brand, about the dark side of big tech and the work that Treasure is doing to address that.

Aquí: Hi Bianca! Could you tell us a little about yourself?

Bianca: Of course! I head up Product and Brand at Treasure. It's a super interesting role because you don't really see the two coming together as much in companies even though they work hand-in-hand. I own the UX/UI piece of the product - what the consumers feel and see. I also plan and prioritise product releases. For branding, I take the wonderful work that you guys have done for us and ensure that it is applied onto everything we do, creating the Treasure brand experience. I came from a brand marketing background and was trained at Procter and Gamble, where brand management was bread and butter. I also used to work for Twitter, where I witnessed how big of a role big tech played in the spread of misinformation during Brexit and the US elections in 2016. It was important for me to advocate for tech for good after leaving big tech, and it's super exciting to be doing that at Treasure, moving into product management while staying in touch with branding.


Aquí: Before we dive deeper, we'd like to know how someone in the industry would describe 'cloud' to the person in the street?

Bianca: I have a funny story to share about my husband's grandmother. So she's 92 years old and is a real techie for someone of her age. Fun fact: she was also the first one in the family to get an iPad. We wanted grandma to share photos with us when she was visiting in London, and she told us, “I can't - it's in my email back home in Alderney." If I were to speak to grandma again, I would tell her that there is now something called 'cloud' where you can store your files and photos in all sorts of formats and access it from anywhere quite securely. I wouldn't go into details about servers because it gets quite alienating!

“If I were to speak to grandma again, I would tell her that there is now something called 'cloud' where you can store your files and photos in all sorts of formats and access it from anywhere quite securely.”

Aquí: That's actually a really good way to explain it. Also, such a cool grandma! So tell us more about Treasure!

Bianca: It's been quite a journey for us [Treasure]. We started out as a B2B company, which you all know as Anqlave, whose mission and vision was really to help institutions secure digital assets; very much in the family of key management systems. Our founding team has always been in the cyber security space, building the technology to protect these organisations. What stood out to them in their line of work was the fact that no one was looking out for the guys and girls in the street the same way these big guys were being looked out for; the same technology was not offered to the everyday consumer to protect their files. And that was why Treasure was born: to give people back the control they should have of their data and create a new narrative around data privacy and online security, away from how big tech companies have spun it.


“... no one was looking out for the guys and girls in the street the same way these big guys were being looked out for; the same technology was not offered to the everyday consumer to protect their files.”


Aquí: Speaking of control of data, what are some common threats that people face when it comes to online privacy and security? And how is Treasure addressing that?

Bianca: A lot of cloud storage providers out there will have some form of access to your files for one reason or another, mostly to monetise on the data. There are also risks of being hacked - having your files or identity stolen. It's only a number of degrees close to you that someone has had their identity taken from them and it can be a very distressing experience.

One of the main features of Treasure is end-to-end encryption. That means that by design of the product, only you, as the owner of the files, hold the key to the files that you upload to our cloud platform and determine who has access to it. It's kind of like a house where only the owners have the keys to it.

Treasure also gives its users the choice to opt in for Zero Knowledge which is an additional layer of security. That means that Treasure won't even store your account’s recovery keys if you forget your password. So your account and everything in it is entirely in your hands. If we go back to the house and keys metaphor, we're not even your landlord. We don't have the rights to your extra keys. It's entirely your property. So it's very important you don't lose your keys - or your extra keys! We only make it opt-in because other providers have faced backlash from users. There was a case of an IB student who lost the key to the zero knowledge cloud storage, and there was an extended essay within that was due the next day which couldn't be retrieved.

Aquí: Wait... so some of the cloud storage providers that we use don't have end-to-end encryption?

Bianca: Yes - that's right. And it's all by choice. We can only speculate, but it’s pretty obvious some of these companies make these choices for revenue. For example, Google's main business is ad revenue. For Dropbox, it's probably because they thought that they couldn't build a product that was good enough as it is indeed harder to build end-to-end encryption into cloud storage. Big tech has always made us believe that in order to enjoy a good product, you need to give up a bit of your privacy. But what we are advocating for at Treasure is that you can have privacy and a good product - they are not mutually exclusive.


“Big tech has always made us believe that in order to enjoy a good product, you need to give up a bit of your privacy. But what we are advocating for at Treasure is that you can have privacy and a good product - they are not mutually exclusive.”

Aquí: A lot of us use cloud storages that are most accessible without even thinking about data privacy. Only in recent years, what with the blow-up of documentaries and reported controversies, that we've started to think about it. What's something that we should know about these big cloud storage providers?

Bianca: So the founding team have looked at the cloud storage security technology of the big players today including Google Drive, Dropbox, and iCloud, and they realised these providers are not secure at all. I guess everybody in the cybersecurity B2B space knows about it, but they didn't fully comprehend the scale of the problem until they dug into the terms and conditions. You should know that Google Drive accesses your data and monetises it. Can you imagine? I have my wedding photos and a bunch of confidential files in it and I'm sure many people do too. And to find out that they have access to these data - that's pretty crazy. You're right, it's a really interesting time because with documentaries like The Social Dilemma and headlines about the Facebook saga - online privacy and security issues have come to the fore.

Aquí: What are some tips that you would share with our readers to better protect themselves online?

Bianca: I would start simple. It's almost like when you start trying to be healthier - start simple and don't try to change too many things. Level one would be to be careful of what you share and who you share it with. My twitter account is public and I had a journalist use my photos on there in an article. That's why I tell my younger cousins, nieces and nephews to be careful because you are giving that up.

The next thing would be multi-factor authentication (2FA)! Switch those on EVERYWHERE especially for WhatsApp. It's an extra layer of security that makes a lot of difference and I'm surprised at the number of people who don't switch it on in the most important apps especially messaging apps. Someone I know recently had her WhatsApp account hacked and it got in the way of her work as she couldn't access it for five days. 2FA could've totally stopped that from happening. Lastly, hackers and scammers are getting so much smarter. Be on the lookout for links that are circulating around emails or messages. If it looks suspicious, don't click on it. Call that person and ask if it's a legitimate link.


“If it looks suspicious, don't click on it.”

Aquí: Lastly, what is design to you? Do you use it in your day-to-day work at Treasure? What are some examples?

I always think of design as the real world. At P&G they had this amazing thing that they ingrained into us: design is execution because execution is the only strategy your consumers see. If you've failed your whole execution, you've failed your whole strategy. Design is everything, it's the living and breathing version of our product. Some examples of what we're doing with design is launching our new website and we're also looking at ramping up our UX and UI now that we're starting to move across the early access stage of things. Now that's a super hard question to answer in front of designers!


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